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Post by shazam6000 on Nov 4, 2007 11:13:36 GMT -5
The purpose of this is not to bash TNA or start fights just thought we could discuss TNA in a friendly manner. I think TNA should concentrate on the wrestling and forget the soap opera storylines. For whatever reason if just doesn't work for them and they need to find their own niche IMO.
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Post by weirdjerod on Nov 4, 2007 11:29:11 GMT -5
Agreed, TNA needs to be an alternative, NOT a watered down, WWECWF Lite... they have a unique product and need to showcase it as such...
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Post by canadianpittbull on Nov 4, 2007 12:02:57 GMT -5
Why? What is the point? Everyone comes up with the same conclusions that are heard when folks start jawing about WWE vs. TNA so all this thread does is have folks sound like broken records and can actually cause discord on the board. Bad idea.
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Post by crimsoncross on Nov 4, 2007 15:09:39 GMT -5
It's like what Team 3D said about us at our keyboards, we think we know it all... well don't we, I think that we've seen enough wrestling to have some concepts that would make a wrestling product better... but I can say that I also agree with CPB, I don't mind talking about TNA or the WWE or any other wrestling product when it's not getting out of hand and the hate starts, I've liked three shows of late and those are iMPACT!, ECW ; RAW and there's no crime in that. Anyway, thats my thoughts...
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Post by Big Bri on Nov 4, 2007 15:35:39 GMT -5
I'm hot and cold on TNA on a constant basis, but here's what they could do to further improve...
1. Get rid of the 6-sided ring.
2. Tape the shows in an actual arena with more than 200 people in the stands. In the 80's they could've gotten away with this, but today, they need the energy that only an arena crowd can bring.
3. Try to make the entrance themes more unique. Too many of them sound the same.
4. GIVE JOE THE TITLE ALREADY.
5. Lower the number of gimmick matches in which the "World" itle is on the line (lke these stupid tag matches).
6. Drop the PPV name of "Final Resolution". NOTHING IS EVER FINALLY RESOLVED IN PRO WRESTLING!!!
7. FIRE DON WEST FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Put Ron Killings on color commentary. Now THAT would be entertaining.
8. Put AMW back together.
TNA is on it's way, but there's still a lot of work to be done.
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Post by MikeMcKinney on Nov 4, 2007 20:04:15 GMT -5
I'm hot and cold on TNA on a constant basis, but here's what they could do to further improve... 1. Get rid of the 6-sided ring. 2. Tape the shows in an actual arena with more than 200 people in the stands. In the 80's they could've gotten away with this, but today, they need the energy that only an arena crowd can bring. 3. Try to make the entrance themes more unique. Too many of them sound the same. 4. GIVE JOE THE TITLE ALREADY. 5. Lower the number of gimmick matches in which the "World" itle is on the line (lke these stupid tag matches). 6. Drop the PPV name of "Final Resolution". NOTHING IS EVER FINALLY RESOLVED IN PRO WRESTLING!!! 7. FIRE DON WEST FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Put Ron Killings on color commentary. Now THAT would be entertaining. 8. Put AMW back together. TNA is on it's way, but there's still a lot of work to be done. I like alot of these ideas |
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Post by The Executioner on Nov 5, 2007 9:21:34 GMT -5
I actually like the 6 sided ring. It works for me, something different.
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Post by weirdjerod on Nov 5, 2007 10:02:37 GMT -5
I actually like the 6 sided ring. It works for me, something different. I agree with this, as everyone wants TNA to be different and unique, yet for some reason the 6-sided ring seems to be "too different"... I kind of like it as it gives them a distinct feel and look... Now, if they could just stop burying the X-division... |
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Post by The Executioner on Nov 5, 2007 10:04:11 GMT -5
Yes, the X-Div needs a real push, make it special again.
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Post by smathis on Nov 15, 2007 12:41:41 GMT -5
TNA has a lot going for it but the few times I've tuned in lately have really put me off. It just seems that they're throwing whatever they can at the wall to see what sticks. And a lot of what they're throwing is just typical WWE-WCW crap. By that, I mean the silly soap opera storylines that Russo is so well-known for.
I don't mind the soap opera as much if it's the exception as opposed to the rule. That's what makes them memorable, in my opinion. If you have too much of that soap opera stuff going on, it waters it all down and detracts from the wrestling. It also affects continuity. Anyone remember Angle breaking Samoa Joe's girlfriend's ankle? I wonder how that worked out. Since then Joe and Angle seem terribly congenial at times. Why should we care about these swerves and pointless plots if the writers can't even bother to remember them?
I would say that TNA (to get me back as a viewer) needs to...
Stop giving prominence to the dregs of WCW (by this I mean Scott Hall, Kevin Nash and Vince Russo). Sting's a-ok by me. If Nash is anything, he should be a color commentator. Not some hanger-on, has-been lurking about backstage taking up valuable money from the budget.
Open the glass ceiling on the X-Division. TNA, for some inexplicable reason, has limited itself by corralling some of its most talented young stars into a meaningless division that serves only to pigeonhole their future. Allowing the X-division to be more than an orphaned TV title division would let TNA experiment with new, exciting matchups that may actually mean something as opposed to having two essentially segregated divisions that keep rehashing the same matchups month after month. Think about how ROH does its booking. There's no reason why TNA can't learn a bit off their model. Interesting matchups that lead to a final objective. Make what happens in the ring important again and not because X slept with Y slept with Z.
Sign Rob Van Dam. Sure, he's a bit spotty sometimes in the ring. But the guy is super-over. Moreso than Kurt Angle, I'd say. At one time (quite recently), he was one of the competition's most popular faces. Why is TNA wasting time (and money) on Scott Hall and Pacman Jones? RVD could be one means of getting the smaller X-Division guys up against the World Title crew in a believable fashion. He could be the bridge that opens up the X-Division roster.
Sign Ric Flair. Nope, I'm not kidding. The man is a legend. Sign him to a one year deal and then allow Flair and Sting to go out with grace and dignity. They both deserve it.
I don't think TNA needs arenas. But it definitely needs the energy of an ROH audience or, if anyone remembers it, the energy of the audience at the ballroom for that one ECW episode where they introduced CM Punk. The energy of the audience is huge, IMO. Right now, the TNA crowd looks like a bunch of random people. Not a bunch of people who are into the show.
I'd say bring back the 4-sided ring too. The 6-sided one looks too gimmicky to me.
I guess I wish TNA would realize that they can compete with the WWE by being different. They don't have to try and relive the heyday of WCW to be viable. They will never be able to compete head-on with Vince (at least not at the current pace they're going). So, instead of copying the market leader, they should innovate.
You don't see Apple cribbing notes off of Windows for it's operating system. TNA shouldn't be following WWE for the direction of it's shows. If anything, it should branch off into a new direction. Ideally one that the WWE could not follow without a complete overhaul of its product.
In my opinion, ROH is a much more potentially viable competitor to the E than TNA. There's no reason why TNA couldn't tone down the smut and analyze what works for Gabe and Co. to improve their own product.
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Post by bazzy on Nov 16, 2007 2:41:52 GMT -5
Trouble is isn't Russo still booking it ?
FIRE Don West ? . I think his great .
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Post by bazzy on Nov 17, 2007 2:27:06 GMT -5
Suzanne said at the end of Genesis the main event was Kurt Angle & Kevin Nash v Sting & Booker T . 3 ex-Vince rejects and Sting . In 5 years where is TNA's own creations ? Not even ONE in the main event ? .
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Post by Holland 227 on Nov 17, 2007 17:00:44 GMT -5
Good call, push your homegrown talent. That is why Vince has done so well. AJ Styles, JOe ( even tho not TNA original, still), And for the love of the almighty Pete, Push your X-Division. I remember when it was Joe, Daniels and Styles in X-Division matches that were undercard for most points and stole the show. DO IT!!!
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Post by "Big Time" Adam Smasher on Nov 18, 2007 16:26:15 GMT -5
THe best thing TNA could do at this point is shut down and give their tv time to ROH. TNA sucks and it's not going to get any better. Sorry to pull an "other board" moment, but even though I occasionally like some of TNA's stuff I still think this is the best option.
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Post by smathis on Nov 19, 2007 12:41:25 GMT -5
Or TNA could partner with ROH and do some cross-promotion. Not sure ROH would be interested in that, though, because I think they have a lot more momentum right now than TNA.
Also, I think the window of opportunity for TNA to grow alongside and learn from ROH is passed. I think Vince McMahon (or someone on the E staff) is keeping a close eye on ROH. There may even be some sort of assistance going on in the background ala WWE helping out ECW late in ECW's lifecycle.
I don't think it's anything overt but VKM has been around long enough to know that the reaction ROH gets means $$$ in the long run. And Vince has been raiding the ROH roster more now that TNA has placed an exclusivity clause in the former ROH stars' contracts.
Sometimes I think TNA could be so much more. Then I just realize I'm wishing it were ROH.
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